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Post by everard on May 11, 2014 15:22:18 GMT
Edit from Norah...
I have changed the name of the post to make more sense of it's later posts
....as it's not a red but two yellows - Sharps, Rowett, me and the BBC reporter at the game (who thinks we have someone called McKee playing for us) all thought the ball hit Sharps on his chest - if there is camera/photographic/video/film evidence which confirms this, wouldn't it be worth appealing?
If it was clear that the first yellow was wrongly given, perhaps only the second yellow would stand and Sharps could play in the second leg next week.....it was enough injustice that we had to play 30 mins without him - we don't want to be without him for 120 minutes....
and incidentally if Sharps is out and Shane not fit or match fit, why is no-one talking about bringing Zander back, he's still our player isn't he? (I think Garry made the right decision letting him go out on loan I think he had become our 4th choice centre back but that doesn't make him crap - Wilder thinks he's worth a three year contract - and tho' he can jump like a salmon, I'd prefer having Edwards at right back)
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Post by mikeyboy on May 11, 2014 15:29:22 GMT
There should be excellent video evidence on Sky
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Post by oxfordbrewer on May 11, 2014 15:57:13 GMT
It definitely wasn't a handball.
We definitely can't appeal a yellow card.
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Post by dave on May 11, 2014 16:07:15 GMT
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Post by 9sirchristian on May 11, 2014 16:22:08 GMT
It was an injustice but I don't think you can have yellows rescinded, only reds.
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Post by everard on May 11, 2014 18:16:12 GMT
It definitely wasn't a handball. We definitely can't appeal a yellow card. Not even if, with another yellow, it leads to a red? |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 18:23:18 GMT
You can't appeal it. Prehistoric rules. It's also a two match ban because of Sharps' red card earlier in the season according to the Burton Mail. Actually if it's the Mail saying that I'll wait until I see it officially on the FA website  |
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Post by everard on May 11, 2014 22:01:11 GMT
Completely illogical and therefore bonkers -who makes these rules up? |
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Post by oxfordbrewer on May 11, 2014 22:54:17 GMT
Playing devils advocate, there were 109 red cards in league two this season and 1526 yellow cards. If you could appeal yellow cards, can you imagine how many appeals there would have been?
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Post by everard on May 11, 2014 22:59:21 GMT
Playing devils advocate, there were 109 red cards in league two this season and 1526 yellow cards. If you could appeal yellow cards, can you imagine how many appeals there would have been? Hmm! Not sure that there's a case for having appeals for just yellows - but perhaps where more than one yellow leads to a red....if of course you think one of them is unjustified - presumably the vast majority of the 1526 yellow cards shown are single yellows....and do not lead to a second and the red one? |
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Post by Newark Colin on May 11, 2014 23:05:23 GMT
Having just seen the highlights I really feel we have been cheated yet again in a play-off semi-final. The 2nd one is a harsh booking, particularly considering what White, Hurst and (especially) Corr got away with. The 1st one was an outrageous decision. Really poor refereeing throughout the game. Not fit to referee Gresley.
never mind League 3 Dyke, sort the appeals process out you moron.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 11:59:13 GMT
Re: appealing Cautions..
"the FA supports Fifa rules that do not allow reviews of yellow cards.
Authorities are worried if such a system was introduced it could cause bureaucratic chaos."
And tbf it would, the amount of yellow cards being appealed every week would be out of control. Mistakes are made, but more often the referees are correct as has been proven time and again.
Players and managers really need to take responsibility when they are on a booking. For example, Coor was booked, perhaps Brown didn't want to risk him being sent off, so he took him off even though he is their top scorer!
The caution for handball was clearly a mistake. The 2nd caution, they don't get much clearer than that!
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Post by woz on May 12, 2014 15:46:14 GMT
Thought at first the guy who DIVED over sharpes was yellow carded, certainly played for it ! If that was a yellow card I despair, bearing in mind that their persistent fouling went unpunished, got to say we have some dire refs and he was pretty much up their with the best of them, the amount of times he guessed decisions was appalling, to top it off he waited twice for a linesman to make 2 decisions when he's twenty yards away while himself a yard away ,crap!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 19:08:06 GMT
Thought at first the guy who DIVED over sharpes was yellow carded, certainly played for it ! If that was a yellow card I despair, bearing in mind that their persistent fouling went unpunished, got to say we have some dire refs and he was pretty much up their with the best of them, the amount of times he guessed decisions was appalling, to top it off he waited twice for a linesman to make 2 decisions when he's twenty yards away while himself a yard away ,crap!!! Remember Corr getting booked, and the ref pointing to the 3 places where he had previously fouled players and then showing him the yellow card? That is punishment for "Unsporting Behaviour - Persistent Infringement of the Laws of the Game". or as you say persistent fouling, same thing. Regarding Sharps 2nd booking (yes, the 1st was a mistake, it hit his shoulder), the ref says its a booking, Sharps doesn't protest it, the captain doesn't protest it, Gaz says in his post-game interview it was a booking, the commentators in the video say its a booking. All wrong because woz knows it was a dive! You need to get your referees badge and set the football world right!  |
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Post by woz on May 12, 2014 20:58:56 GMT
My opnion guy looked for it,an opnion shared by Rowett! If a referees points out to a player 3 different fouls he has committed shouldn't he be booked earlier, or in this little world u live in us it ok to persistently foul. ( not small fouls either ) if these were done in the street you'd probably b arrested!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 22:33:02 GMT
My opnion guy looked for it,an opnion shared by Rowett! If a referees points out to a player 3 different fouls he has committed shouldn't he be booked earlier, or in this little world u live in us it ok to persistently foul. ( not small fouls either ) if these were done in the street you'd probably b arrested!!!! <.shakes head > are we talking girls football here? <still shaking head> Referees have to manage games, if they booked players for every rough challenge (as you seem to suggest they should) instead of having a word first as the ref did with Corr before booking him for persistent infringement, for every verbal comment, etc. then in your little world there wouldn't be enough players on the pitch to finish the game. Did you ever play the game. Because that does make a difference wrt perspective. And what part of this do you disagree with? "Regarding Sharps 2nd booking the ref says its a booking, Sharps doesn't protest it, the captain doesn't protest it, Gaz says in his post-game interview it was a booking, the commentators in the video say its a booking." You say it's a dive! There are loads of comedians looking for work...give them a break cause you're not that funny! |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 23:14:07 GMT
I have never understood why people justify a decision by saying 'he didn't dispute it' or similar. So we should encourage disputing all decisions then, to see what we can get away with.
For what it is worth, I can see why he showed the second yellow. I could also point out about half a dozen similar challenges throughout the game which did not receive a yellow. inconsistent refereeing I thought. Overall though I think we have had some really good refs this season
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Post by Norah on May 12, 2014 23:28:00 GMT
Just a thought… but in tennis and in cricket teams/ players are allowed a certain number of appeals per event…… if modern technology can decide those… in a couple of shakes of a lambs tail… then for certain matches then could this not be introduced into football… if only ONE per match…… There are after all such obvious miscarriages of justice that occur which alter the course of a match that are just so wrong…..!!!!… ok there would be no more hands of God but there would also be no more arms of Sharps.  |
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Post by woz on May 13, 2014 4:18:57 GMT
Just to let u know peacock brain just for the record I played football to a very high standard which is why I get so frustrated reading some of ur comments.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 10:29:44 GMT
Just a thought… but in tennis and in cricket teams/ players are allowed a certain number of appeals per event…… if modern technology can decide those… in a couple of shakes of a lambs tail… then for certain matches then could this not be introduced into football… if only ONE per match…… There are after all such obvious miscarriages of justice that occur which alter the course of a match that are just so wrong…..!!!!… ok there would be no more hands of God but there would also be no more arms of Sharps. I think most people understand that point of view Norah, and we do get wound up after the referee makes a mistake (miscarriages of justice is a bit legal  ) and cry out for changes to be made. Funny, how we rarely cry out when the player makes an even worse/more stupid mistake? There certainly are justifications for technology to be used from time to time and there is no doubt that it would help decide controversial decisions. But where would the line be drawn on what gets "reviewed", hand balls, penalties, nasty fouls, keeper handling out of the box, high foot challenge, ball out of play for a corner, goalkick throw-in, manager on the pitch, foul language, who threw the banana, I think you get my point, but every one of those situation has an effect on the game. A South American FIFA referee once said that "if a referee never called another handball for the rest of his career, he/she would be right 83% of the time" or words very close to that. Most "handballs" are not even though we all yell out for them at the games and curse the cheating ref. during and after games. (before he starts Sharps' wasn't handball either). The thing is multiple millions of pounds were spent developing goal-line technology and how often has it been needed? And who do we think is paying the price at the end of the day? The fans. I cried out for it but I'm "not sure" if it is worth it. To quote a famous frenchman, speaking about the Champions League games only "It would cost around 54 million euros (£46m) over five years for this technology,"..., that doesn't include any research and development costs. That money could be better spend on grassroots football, developing players skills and attitudes toward the game. How did we ever get to point where a famous english striker with hairplugs can be filmed effin and blinding a referee on global TV and getting away with it?? Should that be reviewed on video replays and have him sent off? For me this type of "solution" is the sterilisation of a game, its a game that's it. Corporations have turned it into something else in order to make money. I don't want to see the beautiful game "Americanised" any further, next they'll be pushing for stopping play for commercials (they are already doing that actually). |
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